Direct drive outrunner with direct water cooling

EFOIL.builders Propulsion System (Motor, Gears)
#229

@VeFoil The board I was testing on is a small foam surfboard, which i was testing with dual motors as you saw above but no foil. My new build which I’ve started already is with the parts below. The only thing I’m concerned about is the size and buoyancy of the surfboard that I’m using.

My board is a 6’2 surfboard, it has a flat bottom and is made of fibreglass but certainly isn’t very buoyant…

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And the foil is from aliexpress, its a nice big wing and a few others on here are using it i think…

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I weight 72KG

Do you think I need a better board?

#230

Hi Jake, I use also an old surfboard it’s even smaller and I am 10kg heavier. To start it’s a little harder (power and skills) but once your up on the foil it has less inertia.
One of the drawbacks is the lack of space for big batteries

#231

I have no doubt you will need a board that is 28+" wide, and it must be wide at the back to get planing, that board will plow the tail through the water and prevent you from getting up on foil most likely. But if you have not tried it, test it out first, your only 72kg, thats lot lighter than me 115kg :slight_smile:

Boris' first eSUP attempt
#232

Thanks @Clarin , that’s good to know. Do you know roughly how much power it takes to get up onto the plane?

I guess the only advantage is less inertia.

#233

Cheers @VeFoil, appreciate the help. Ill give it a try, hopefully within the next few days. If it doesn’t work, do you think a SUP would be a good type of board to mount the foil to?

#234

Here is the post where you can see my power curve, I guess the other advantages of a smaller board is less aerodynamic drag, less weight, more nimble, tighter curve, and easier to transport. (My next one will be 150cm and 50cm long and will have more volume for more battery)

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#235

NP, yes SUP is what that foil is meant for and if you cut an SUP back off so its wide and shorter, you should be rocking!

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#236

Thanks @VeFoil and @Clarin

making some progress now, Just have to design a duct for each propeller :confused:

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Motor stators epoxied:

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#237

Nice job on motor epoxy!!!

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#238

Its amazing how these simple ideas grow. Thanks for your further development, this was intention. Although i think the coating shown is too thick.

#239

Do you have a video and or supplies required to do this you could share? I’m working on another type of project and it requires an out-runner in water and I would like to do this as well.

#240

Hi im a new user to the this forum and have built an electric skateboard about a year ago, This is probably not the right place to ask this as its off topic but would anyone mind pointing me in the right direction. I do not have a 3d printer or parts to machine so it would need to all be buyable. Thanks

#241

Take a look at Pacificmeister’s design and read around the forum a bit to get going. The efoil scene is less developed than electric skateboards, so you will be on your own somewhat when it comes to exactly what you’re trying to accomplish. Good luck!

#242

Im completing an efoil builders kit where everything is plug-n-play from parts, to propulsion system, to board, to waterproof remote control at VeFoil

#243

Hello,

Yesterday I tried to run my Hydrofoil surf. So far it went wel, but i could not het enough speed to het On the foil. Some how maybe my prop size is to big, so im going to trim it down a bit. Im running a turnigy rotomax, direct drive under water, with an toro beast 200A esc, On 8s lfp 45ah… from the sound it felt like the esc was hitting its 200A limit Or it felt out of sync?
This is a car esc, and maybe not suitable for running a multipole outrunner. So I need to find a suitable Esc that could handle 8s and at leest 200A+ that I could connect to my heat sync. The bottom of the board is a big aluminium surface. Had annybody have a God experience with a God price/quality esc? That can handle multipole motor 200A+?

Batterij: 12 Cell ~ 14 Cell / 44.4V ~ 51.8V
RPM: 195kv
Max stroom: 150A
Watts: 6600w
Geen belasting stroom: 44V / 4.8a
Inwendige weerstand: 0,013 Ohm
Gewicht: 1916g
Diameter van de schacht: 10mm
Winding: 8T
Stator Pole: 24
Motor Pole: 20
Stator Diameter: 101
Lamineren Dikte: 0.2mm
Voorgestelde ESC: 200A 14S Compatible

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#244

What motor do you have?

#245

i love your built!
i run 8S as well , hitting 32km/h and counting 25H (40mm inrunner with gear 1/6 so 130KV), my esc “recorded” for hard take off with 90kg and 1250 fornt wing:
165A with solas propeller 190mm diameter and 6 pitch
205A with FR propeller 135mm diameter and high pitch (9?)

so you can hit easly 200A with your motor, because high torque before rpm, big propeller with high pitch

what i would do.: cut yes, try the 350P10 2 blades torqeedo or solas plastic

as the esc i am happy so far with hiefi, i will go to 12S to get the amp down (after lipo burst on voltage sag) , good review on this one , and good price , i order one of this; you will have to make your own cooling

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#246

Thanx Alexandre.

I Will cut down the prop size and i ordered the esc You sugested. Lets wait for that and get better resultaat i hope.

#247

@Johannes “out of stock”! :slight_smile: that was you? mine it’s delivered tomorrow, you can get the bluetooth module as well for iphone live data

DON’T install the software on C/: :wink:

#250

From my experience with direct drive, the ESC timing needs to be set to “HIGH” or 30 degrees for 12 pole out runners, otherwise they lose sync with a bad squealing noise…

Also I believe you should cut the prop down as well as your motor is fairly high KV at 195. Try 130mm Diameter, that still could be to large.

EDIT: in my testing today I’ve actually found 24 degrees or “medium-high” to be better for my motors (ie, don’t lose sync), sorry for the change of info.

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