# FOILDRIVE Gen2 review
**URL:** https://foil.zone/t/foildrive-gen2-review/19537
**Category:** Products
**Created:** [November 4, 2023, 8:13am UTC](https://foil.zone/t/foildrive-gen2-review/19537 "2023-11-04T08:13:10Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@jetsurfingnation](https://foil.zone/u/jetsurfingnation)
#### Post date: [November 4, 2023, 8:13am UTC](https://foil.zone/t/foildrive-gen2-review/19537/1 "2023-11-04T08:13:10Z")
Today we had a chance to test the revolutionary foiling system that will change the sport of foiling - FOILDRIVE Gen2!
[ ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hra9sTKKW7k)
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### Author:  [@Etiennebzh](https://foil.zone/u/Etiennebzh)
#### Post date: [November 4, 2023, 9:21am UTC](https://foil.zone/t/foildrive-gen2-review/19537/2 "2023-11-04T09:21:28Z")
Very nice.
Question:
What kind of battery allows to max up the riding time to 2 to 2.5 times compared to the Assist Plus ?
It seems they are now in 40 V, so 10S mini but itās very slim, so 10S2P I guess.
Or
A new VESC is doing some miraclesā¦ Maybe
Letās dive into it for our DIY builds.
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### Author:  [@okp](https://foil.zone/u/okp)
#### Post date: [November 4, 2023, 9:22am UTC](https://foil.zone/t/foildrive-gen2-review/19537/3 "2023-11-04T09:22:30Z")
good video, itās just a shame that you didnāt provide more history/knowledge and highlight that this evolution was based on the idea of others (which is fine)
> [@New waterproof Alloy V+ESC Box](https://foil.zone/t/new-waterproof-alloy-v-esc-box/8645/25):
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> Been a while since we did this alloy mast box in 2019 already sweat_smile Makes us kind of proud that the idea has been picked up by foil driveā¦ We donāt do it anymore but we forwarded the idea to others and we`re shure they will bring similar foil assist system in 2024 for under 3000$. That is what we always wanted: a light, affordable and easy mount foil assist drive for every foiler. we believe this will increase the sports attention and growth for the next few years wink So wait whats gā¦
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### Author:  [@Strongarm](https://foil.zone/u/Strongarm)
#### Post date: [November 4, 2023, 9:48am UTC](https://foil.zone/t/foildrive-gen2-review/19537/4 "2023-11-04T09:48:03Z")
If you do the maths they are still using P42a cells across all their packs. For example
For example the slim battery is a 11p and a capacity of 166Wh. 166/11 is 15.1Wh which is the capacity of a Molicel P42a.
For the price they could have at least sprung for the P45b cells.
The efficiencies come from the reduced cable length, better cooling and great marketing.
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### Author:  [@jetsurfingnation](https://foil.zone/u/jetsurfingnation)
#### Post date: [November 4, 2023, 11:32am UTC](https://foil.zone/t/foildrive-gen2-review/19537/5 "2023-11-04T11:32:13Z")
> > > What kind of battery allows to max up the riding time to 2 to 2.5 times compared to the Assist Plus ?
Iām not sure if they claim it.. The ride time is little bit longer yes than old Assist+ but I am not sure about 2-2.5 times because it uses also more energy and the weight is almost same + little more drag from the box under the board on liftoff.
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### Author:  [@lishine](https://foil.zone/u/lishine)
#### Post date: [November 4, 2023, 1:26pm UTC](https://foil.zone/t/foildrive-gen2-review/19537/6 "2023-11-04T13:26:20Z")
@jetsurfingnation
How is the touch down?
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### Author:  [@jetsurfingnation](https://foil.zone/u/jetsurfingnation)
#### Post date: [November 4, 2023, 2:15pm UTC](https://foil.zone/t/foildrive-gen2-review/19537/7 "2023-11-04T14:15:52Z")
You naturally feel mode drag from the pod on touch down so it takes few minutes to adjust to deal with it first time, then I did not feel it anymore
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### Author:  [@Foilguy](https://foil.zone/u/Foilguy)
#### Post date: [November 4, 2023, 4:53pm UTC](https://foil.zone/t/foildrive-gen2-review/19537/8 "2023-11-04T16:53:43Z")
You comment that this is a āgame changerā. Can you explain why that is?
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### Author:  [@Jezza](https://foil.zone/u/Jezza)
#### Post date: [November 4, 2023, 5:04pm UTC](https://foil.zone/t/foildrive-gen2-review/19537/9 "2023-11-04T17:04:12Z")
He probably means itās the lightest efoilish commercial solutionā¦ It gives you the best of multiple worldāsā¦
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### Author:  [@Foilguy](https://foil.zone/u/Foilguy)
#### Post date: [November 4, 2023, 9:39pm UTC](https://foil.zone/t/foildrive-gen2-review/19537/10 "2023-11-04T21:39:42Z")
This new product might be better but is it really that much different than the Assist+ product?
āGame changerā to me implies something substantially different and better than anything else thatās come before.
I donāt see that but then Iām not @jetsurfingnation so am curious about why that phrase was used.
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### Author:  [@okp](https://foil.zone/u/okp)
#### Post date: [November 5, 2023, 7:27am UTC](https://foil.zone/t/foildrive-gen2-review/19537/11 "2023-11-05T07:27:41Z")
game changer is YouTube reviewers most used punchline.
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### Author:  [@Justito](https://foil.zone/u/Justito)
#### Post date: [November 5, 2023, 7:31am UTC](https://foil.zone/t/foildrive-gen2-review/19537/12 "2023-11-05T07:31:31Z")
Mike lives near a beach with great waves, so he is really into foil assist, and this new product it seems deserves all his needs. I guess thatās why he thinks it is a game chager.
I live in a Island, Mallorca. And I have the chances to do great tours visiting few awesome beaches. So I am not an assist fan, but I understand what he is looking for.
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### Author:  [@jetsurfingnation](https://foil.zone/u/jetsurfingnation)
#### Post date: [November 5, 2023, 8:57am UTC](https://foil.zone/t/foildrive-gen2-review/19537/13 "2023-11-05T08:57:55Z")
Hello, everyone! Over the past 7 years on my channel, Iāve had the opportunity to test numerous commercial jetboards and efoils, conduct several DIY interviews, and witness the incredible projects and builds that our community has undertaken. However, when I mention a āgame changer,ā Iām specifically referring to commercial products.
Among these commercial products, I firmly believe that what Foildrive is doing qualifies as a game changer. This isnāt just due to some miraculous technology (though I must say, as a casual rider, the ability to fully efoil and ride waves with a compact 24 L board weighing just 13kg is incredibly impressive for 88kg heavy rider, especially when considering that the smallest efoils on the market weigh between 26-40kg). Whatās most crucial here is that Foildrive has successfully built a genuine community for foilers, potentially setting a new direction for motorized foiling.
While many efoil groups unfortunately get bogged down by endless disputes between Fliteboard and Liftfoil affiliates trying to undermine each other, Foildrive owners are truly enjoying the growth of this new sport and sharing positive vibes. To me, this is a game changer.
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### Author:  [@Jezza](https://foil.zone/u/Jezza)
#### Post date: [November 5, 2023, 11:32am UTC](https://foil.zone/t/foildrive-gen2-review/19537/14 "2023-11-05T11:32:34Z")
> [@jetsurfingnation](#):
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> Whatās most crucial here is that Foildrive has successfully built a genuine community for foilers, potentially setting a new direction for motorized foiling.
Um noā¦they just commercialized it. This forum was the birthplace of foildrive and 99% of the ideas were here first. In fact what youāll see are ideas here that will blow even foil drive out the water.
This forum doesnāt get enough credit as loads of Facebook groups donāt even know it exists.
Foildrive will meet the same issues and debates as lift/fliteboard as soon as thereās proper competition which they actually canāt prevent because they canāt patent ideas they took from the open source community. China could literally clone the idea exactly and sell at half the priceā¦
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### Author:  [@jetsurfingnation](https://foil.zone/u/jetsurfingnation)
#### Post date: [November 5, 2023, 12:22pm UTC](https://foil.zone/t/foildrive-gen2-review/19537/15 "2023-11-05T12:22:20Z")
> This forum doesnāt get enough credit as loads of Facebook groups donāt even know it exists.
I always recommend Foil zone in my videos and did several DIY interviews. I have a big admiration for people who can build things. But lets be honest, 99% of us are just regular middle-age-out-of-shape dudes that LOVE foiling and have full time job and zero skills in engineering. We dont want to build our foil we just want to ride it, and FD gave us this chance! And for this we are forever grateful.
> China could literally clone the idea exactly and sell at half the priceā¦
This is not going to happen. I hear this argument for 7 years that China will come and copy jetboard, efoil and will release it half the price or cheaper. Truth is nobody can match the dedication of the REAL foilers and no chinese company without any clue in foiling can do it. All those alibaba efoils are a joke and copy of early models of popular brands with zero understanding of foiling and wings. So itās not a risk.
China is already producing most of component of FD and other efoils anyways and have no interest making their own product to compete without understanding of foiling sport which is non existent there.
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### Author:  [@okp](https://foil.zone/u/okp)
#### Post date: [November 5, 2023, 12:27pm UTC](https://foil.zone/t/foildrive-gen2-review/19537/16 "2023-11-05T12:27:35Z")
itās a risk. an accepted risk which is not under their control. Look at the ESK8 world and you may change your mind very quickly.
knowing how much you know FZ, that would have been amazing to share about existing (and very historical) ideas that the FD team collected here to develop the v2. Itās not a bad thing and glad they did it. Maybe this is not something they want you to talk about in your āreviewā.
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### Author:  [@tkfoil](https://foil.zone/u/tkfoil)
#### Post date: [November 5, 2023, 12:47pm UTC](https://foil.zone/t/foildrive-gen2-review/19537/17 "2023-11-05T12:47:38Z")
I donāt see anything bad in the reviewā¦
Isnāt it good that they collect ideas here on the forums?
Every company has to listen to their users, otherwise they will be out of market soon. So foil drive is doing the right thing. Maybe they could just be more active on the forums.
Sure, the price is steep. But think twice. How much time would you need to engineer this on your own? How much money could you earn in this time working in your own profession instead? Which machines do you need? Materials? How many prototypes would you build?
In the end it is cheaper to pay 5k then building your own.
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### Author:  [@Jezza](https://foil.zone/u/Jezza)
#### Post date: [November 5, 2023, 12:59pm UTC](https://foil.zone/t/foildrive-gen2-review/19537/18 "2023-11-05T12:59:34Z")
> [@tkfoil](#):
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> Sure, the price is steep. But think twice. How much time would you need to engineer this on your own? How much money could you earn in this time working in your own profession instead? Which machines do you need? Materials? How many prototypes would you build?
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> In the end it is cheaper to pay 5k then building your own.
You not far wrong here. However if you have the right skillset you can actually achieve it very quickly. Will it be as polished as FD, probably not. But it could lead to other advantages as well. Remember FD started right here on the forums so they went through what everyone here goes through anywayā¦
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### Author:  [@jetsurfingnation](https://foil.zone/u/jetsurfingnation)
#### Post date: [November 5, 2023, 1:03pm UTC](https://foil.zone/t/foildrive-gen2-review/19537/19 "2023-11-05T13:03:14Z")
To be completely transparent, I am not affiliated with Foildrive or any other company in this niche. I purchased my unit with my own money, and my only advantage was the opportunity to beta-test it earlier than the general public. However, I did not receive it for free, and I understand that itās a substantial financial investment. I wonāt be advocating for them, as I believe the market will ultimately determine the industryās progression and evaluate their risks.
That said, I firmly believe that the industry can only improve if it learns from the best ideas developed by the DIY community. Over the years, Iāve had conversations with Paul and Ben, and Iām well aware of their dedication to creating a great solution for riders. The core essence of the DIY community is to share the best ideas, so that others can build upon them and make improvements. If companies like Foildrive can bring these ideas into a commercial system, it provides an opportunity for regular individuals like us to enjoy the water and the sport we love.
Cheers
Mike
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### Author:  [@okp](https://foil.zone/u/okp)
#### Post date: [November 5, 2023, 1:11pm UTC](https://foil.zone/t/foildrive-gen2-review/19537/20 "2023-11-05T13:11:04Z")
Wise words Mike. Iām with you on that. Many companies just tend to forget to give (every very tiny) kudos back to the DIY community. Your review is good. Takes time and dedication to make such work.
As Jezza was saying, designing such product is not so difficultā¦ building a brand with genuine and good reputation supported by a supply chain, managing business is a total different game which will only survive to competition with further innovation (such as an Appā¦).
Kudos to them. Business world is brutal and client loyalty wellā¦ often a variable.
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