# Hydrofoil with active height control

**URL:** https://foil.zone/t/hydrofoil-with-active-height-control/8656
**Category:** Builds
**Created:** [July 20, 2020, 6:41pm UTC](https://foil.zone/t/hydrofoil-with-active-height-control/8656 "2020-07-20T18:41:56Z")
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### Author: ![lingvo](https://foil.zone/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/l/97f17d/32.png) [@lingvo](https://foil.zone/u/lingvo)
#### Post date: [July 20, 2020, 6:41pm UTC](https://foil.zone/t/hydrofoil-with-active-height-control/8656/1 "2020-07-20T18:41:56Z")

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Hello

Sorry, I’m looking for something different than just SUP hydrofoil - I want to test a proof of concept of active height control using digital control system. It will actively control the wing angle of attack to keep the boat stable regardless of weight balance, at the same level about the water and damp the waves.

My PoC plan currently looks like this:

 ![изображение](https://efoil.builders/uploads/default/original/2X/8/80148a399dcf8980b9fc6acb1522f6af5c7be940.jpeg)  
There are three hydrofoil wings of same size. Each wing will have a servomotor(similar to RC cars) which will push/pull the rod, which will change the angle of attack of each wing.  
I have concept for all electronics on board (sensors, CPU, etc) but need some hint on mechanics - while mast looks to be available from Kite surfing, where can I get the wings? and how to connect them?

Are there any ready made solutions for wings available?

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### Author: ![SoEFoil](https://foil.zone/user_avatar/foil.zone/soefoil/32/55_2.png) [@SoEFoil](https://foil.zone/u/SoEFoil)
#### Post date: [July 21, 2020, 12:54am UTC](https://foil.zone/t/hydrofoil-with-active-height-control/8656/2 "2020-07-21T00:54:39Z")

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> [@lingvo](#):
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> Are there any ready made solutions for wings available?

Yes but designed for a dinghy so expensive over dimensioned for a SUP board. Therefore, something similar c(sh)ould be downsized for efoils:

 ![GlidefreeFoil 00](https://foil.zone/uploads/default/original/2X/8/8f49d42206230b7e50dbc2613d62539707b99299.png)  
Don’t know whether a waterproof servo could be strong enough to replace a mechanical surface sensor.

A patented system designed by [https://www.glidefree.com.au/](https://www.glidefree.com.au/) . The advantages are described [here](https://8c217f95-1fb6-4320-a5f8-bd8ddecbccd4.filesusr.com/ugd/c8ef4f_6b6e865ba122418dbf3fc046d9a97b14.pdf). The [How-To section](https://www.glidefree.com.au/how-to-manuals) contains a lot of information.

Other actuated wings allowing height control are based on flap angle actuation:  
Moth actuated flaps:  
 ![foil_flap](https://foil.zone/uploads/default/original/2X/8/87dccbf9a4d32b164bab1bad8278473917e1e6be.gif)  
The Taaroa iUP actuated front wing:

> **[Taaroa iUP, surf/sup foil with GBS, IA driven - Info for the DiYer](https://foil.zone/t/taaroa-iup-surf-sup-foil-with-gbs-ia-driven-info-for-the-diyer/7637)**
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> Taaroa, a serious French brand, has been present on the hydrofoil market for nearly 10 years. They hey will soon launch the iUP foil: iUp - iUp Page | TAAROA powered by artificial intelligence. See also https://www.facebook.com/Taaroa.hydrofoil/...

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### Author: ![lingvo](https://foil.zone/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/l/97f17d/32.png) [@lingvo](https://foil.zone/u/lingvo)
#### Post date: [July 21, 2020, 6:39am UTC](https://foil.zone/t/hydrofoil-with-active-height-control/8656/3 "2020-07-21T06:39:16Z")

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Thanks for the information. That’s look very interesting.

Actually a hydrofoil SUP going to be a prototype, as I plan to scale the system up to a boat size. So price is not so critical.  
Taaroa iUP from electronics point of view is exactly same thing, what I plan and to be honest - no AI is required to do that. It’s just couple of sensors and feedback loops over controller.

I’ve seen Moth flaps system, it is OK. But it creates drag, which I’m trying to avoid.

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### Author: ![SoEFoil](https://foil.zone/user_avatar/foil.zone/soefoil/32/55_2.png) [@SoEFoil](https://foil.zone/u/SoEFoil)
#### Post date: [July 21, 2020, 9:58am UTC](https://foil.zone/t/hydrofoil-with-active-height-control/8656/4 "2020-07-21T09:58:57Z")

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> [@lingvo](#):
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> no AI is required to do that. It’s just couple of sensors and feedback loops over controller.

The glidefree system is the demonstration that height sensing can be 100% mechanical. However, such a mechanism can be harmful and fragile in case of fall on the mast.

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### Author: ![lingvo](https://foil.zone/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/l/97f17d/32.png) [@lingvo](https://foil.zone/u/lingvo)
#### Post date: [July 21, 2020, 10:18am UTC](https://foil.zone/t/hydrofoil-with-active-height-control/8656/5 "2020-07-21T10:18:22Z")

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Yes. All these Moths and other riders with sensing sticks are example of primitive proportional feedback controller.  
If you do it electronics you can and I and D control, some adaptive filtering, velocity dependency, gyroscopes and all this at moderate cost.
