Looking for advice before moving on to a build

Fully agree with you on the “power reserve”… :sunglasses:

However I’m hesitating since there are way more resources and experiences on the forum about the 65161 than the 70165… Meaning it might be easier to get some help / files or troubleshooting tips with a 65161…

Also finding the right propeller for the 70165 might be tricky no? I’d have to go for a bigger pitch thanks to the additional torque or maybe I’m just wrong :grimacing:

As far as the ESC is concerned, I was thinking about the Flipsky 75200 Pro V2..
Remote will be the Flipsky VX3 Pro
Battery capacity is still tbd… 12S?P

Motor drawings of both motors and it looks like shaft is same so props likely not an issue. Mast clamp STL for 65161 are plentiful here - not sure bolt pattern of the 70165 matches.

You should of course NOT take my word for it😀

70165

65161

I don’t know what the PRO versions of the VESC and Vx3 offer that the “normal” ones that I have are.

Likely more $ for sure😉

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You can use the same props for the 70165, same shaft 12mm M8 thread. Motor mount needs to be adapted to the bigger diameter.

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The Flipsky 75200Pro VESC has built in Bluetooth. The pro v2 adds a built in power switch and phase filters.
None of this is necessary, but I think Bluetooth is nice for connecting to the vesc with a phone app. Much nicer than a separate Bluetooth module

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Also newer Firmware (6.02 vs 5.2) (Can we flash them btw?)
And a switch => Easy security feature already implemented that I won’t have to spend time on

All this for $4, seemed like a no brainer to me

You can even upgrade to 6.05. It is getting a bit complicated with all the diffrent hw, more
or less based on trampa 75300.
Some information here:

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I have been kitefoiling for 6 or 7 years kitesurfing for almost 20 years and efoiling since last year. My advice is to have different setups. Those are complementary sports. My kitefoiling setup is a full carbon board an foil and weighs 13lbs It’s and it’s 13l this is way too small for efoiling it wouldn’t float with a motor and battery but it’s awesome for kitefoiling. My efoil is based on a Flite Pro board and a Flipsky 65161 motor and remote with a Gong foil from 1300 cm to 1600cm I have 3 wings. The 67l pro board is great perfect size for me but riding something a lot smaller would be very difficult. The efoil setup is like 70lbs so you need some volume for it to float. Learning efoiling was pretty different than kitefoiling it took me a few sessions getting up on the board is harder with a kite you have the bar to stabilize you and the larger foil reacts much slower so you have to build a new muscle memory. Efoiling when there is no wind and it’s super warm is great. Sometimes I bring both setups to the beach and if the wind doesn’t show up I can still ride.

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Thanks both for your comments!
Following the initial feedback, I’ve decided not to use the kitefoil board and get a dedicated (inflatable?) board like a Gong Hipe in around 110L. I would still use the IC6 foil…

BUT… plans might be compromised now that I’ve found a crazy good deal on some brand new batteries from Takuma (<200€). I believe they are made of Samsung cells.

I can get either the 20Ah

Or the 25Ah

I guess the 25Ah is a better choice ?

I’ve found a picture of the internals on the forum and it seems like it could be used without the complete enclosure if anyone could confirm…?

My only worry would then be to adapt this pack to fit inside a “Pelicase type” box with the Esc & receiver…

For an Efoil 25ah is the better choice, you can get pelican cases in all variations.one will fit your needs.

25ah definitively better but even that’s a little small. Many of us use the LG Robot packs that are 10S 36V 55A/H so total 2.2 KW/H of energy I get between 1 and 1.5 HR with a larger wing than you. You will have about 1 KW/H so half the power but with a much smaller wing you need more power so probably less than 30 minutes at best.

Thanks Windigo for this valuable feedback. I guess to save time, I’ll first try with those 25Ah Takuma for cheap (180€) and if I feel like the range is way too small, I’ll build my own pack based on 21700 Molicel P42/P45.
Following everyone’s advice, I’m now looking for a different front wing, around 1300-1600cm².

I’ve prepared a shopping list

  • Vesc: Flipsky 75200 Pro V2

  • Batt : Takuma 25Ah 12S10p

  • Motor : FlipSky 70165 120Kv

  • Remote : Flipsky VX3 Pro

  • Case : Pelicase 1520 / 1550

  • Prop : That’s the part I’m unsure about… Fliteboard, Flying Rodeo, Pwr Foil, FlipSky…??

Another option to look at is PropellerKing, EU based and made by forum member superlefax.
I think Flying rodeo is always a great option, and they are made of aluminium.
The Flipsky props are cheap, but not really sure I’ve seen much reported about them (good or bad)
The Fliteboard prop is also inexpensive and works well (I have one that I use). It has an 11mm hole for the prop shaft and needs to be drilled out to 12mm. Easy with a drill press, or can be done with this printed drill guide: Flite Prop Drill Guide by Caleb | Download free STL model | Printables.com (I used this and it worked fine)

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I tried different props over the years, FR 3 Blade 6” pitch, FR 2 blade 7” pitch, 2 blade from Volker and Flite. They are all good props, my favorite one is the Flite, runs smooth (3 blades) with good thrust for takeoff and high max speed (pitch is unknown but my guess is around 7.5”). Efficiency is also very good.

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I also use the Flite prop it’s excellent quiet and inexpensive. But I use the 65161 motor you mention another motor so I don’t know!

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I use it on a 63100 outrunner with KV 140 as well as on a FR (lift) motor. The 63100 has less torque than a 65161, the FR has more. 70165 should have more torque than a 65161, so it should run fine.

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Yo, not gonna lie, your current setup might be kinda sus. The board’s so small you’d have to lie down on it just to get gliding before you stand up, plus that battery box is totally in the way. I’d 100% go for a cheap inflatable board like I did (mine was $290 + $60 shipping). It’s super light, doesn’t mess with your turns, and is mad easy to lug around. Check out my threads for the deets: Components guide for DIY eFoil and Russian­­­­͏­­­. Trust me, you’ll thank me later!

Quick update, I now have a 65161 and a Flyingrodeo propeller.

Esc (75200) is on the way, as well as the Vx3 pro remote.

Board will either be a Gong hipe 5.3 (110L) or a F-one rocket air 5.10 (125L)

Still wondering about the foil, I found a 1280 F-one phantom, but still unsure… would the 1480 be a better choice?

Following some feedback I read somewhere on the forum, I won’t go with the Takuma batteries and I’m now planning to build my own 12S10P pack.

Still need to decide between Molicel P45 or Samsung 50S ?

Molicel are better, less voltage sag, higher max current.

Quick update…
I ended up purchasing an F-one Phantom 1480 foil.
ESC & remote have arrived, as well as a JK BMS (B1A24S15P - 150A/300A peak).
I have also sourced the motor to box connectors (Amphenol Surlok) and some XT150 for the battery to ESC.

Next step is to source the 21700… Agree with you Sat_be that 50S are not the best for high current, but since I’m going 10P, they shouldn’t see anything higher than 15Amps max no?
50S being higher capacity and cheaper ($2.7) than molicel P45B ($3.8)…

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