# Prop design share
**URL:** https://foil.zone/t/prop-design-share/5849
**Category:** Props & Ducts
**Created:** [October 2, 2019, 9:30am UTC](https://foil.zone/t/prop-design-share/5849 "2019-10-02T09:30:45Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
**Page:** 15
### Author:  [@qzyf](https://foil.zone/u/qzyf)
#### Post date: [May 7, 2024, 3:15am UTC](https://foil.zone/t/prop-design-share/5849/281 "2024-05-07T03:15:25Z")
Thanks for sharing. Have you tried the maximum speeds of the two propellers? Is the pitch of the fliteboard propeller also 7 inches?
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### Author:  [@qzyf](https://foil.zone/u/qzyf)
#### Post date: [June 2, 2024, 8:44am UTC](https://foil.zone/t/prop-design-share/5849/282 "2024-06-02T08:44:44Z")
Today, the new 3D printed nylon two-blade propeller was tested, and the overall feeling was relatively stable, but the power was a little weaker than the three-blade propeller used before. The pitch of both propellers is 7 inches. I wonder if it would be better to use a 9-inch pitch. The propeller broke a little after one use, and the 3D printing was still not strong enough.
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### Author:  [@S\_Roger](https://foil.zone/u/S_Roger)
#### Post date: [June 2, 2024, 11:36am UTC](https://foil.zone/t/prop-design-share/5849/283 "2024-06-02T11:36:15Z")
Interesting, that looks like an MJF print just like my copy, so it should have been pretty tough. Did it contact the duct housing? It chipped both blades.
How did you find the noise level? For me it seemed like a trade off losing some power and responsiveness for peace and quiet.
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### Author:  [@mterea](https://foil.zone/u/mterea)
#### Post date: [July 13, 2024, 9:50am UTC](https://foil.zone/t/prop-design-share/5849/284 "2024-07-13T09:50:48Z")
Anyone interested in max efficiency? I’ve wondered what max efficiency would look like, though it would require an assist to get on foil [Foil pumping using low power efoil - #9 by mterea](https://foil.zone/t/foil-pumping-using-low-power-efoil/13171/9)
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### Author:  [@Flo98](https://foil.zone/u/Flo98)
#### Post date: [September 12, 2024, 1:34am UTC](https://foil.zone/t/prop-design-share/5849/285 "2024-09-12T01:34:24Z")
Hello guys!
@JvdZ I am really interested by the design of your 143mm diameter propeller! Can you change easily the pitch (max 152.4mm / 6inches) and pin (diameter on the photo below is 4,1) ? I would like to fit your propeller on my motor (Maytech MTI85165)
Thanks!
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### Author:  [@JvdZ](https://foil.zone/u/JvdZ)
#### Post date: [September 12, 2024, 6:15am UTC](https://foil.zone/t/prop-design-share/5849/286 "2024-09-12T06:15:20Z")
@Flo98 I don’t have the software anymore to modify the original files. The pitch of the blades is locked in the design, not a variable.
The prop might be a bit to small for a big motor unless you are running high RPM. I currently flying with a flying rodeo prop or fliteboard prop. The fliteboard prop is about 50eur, very good prop but you need to enlarge the bore to 12mm.
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### Author:  [@Flo98](https://foil.zone/u/Flo98)
#### Post date: [September 12, 2024, 3:56pm UTC](https://foil.zone/t/prop-design-share/5849/287 "2024-09-12T15:56:56Z")
@JvdZ The motor is 200Kv, that’s why i am trying to find a low pitch propeller because i draw too much current and thus my VESC overheats. The propeller i have is apparently an (old) fliteboard one. What pitch is yours? Trying to find or 3d print a propeller with 143mm diameter and low pitch (under 6 inches)
The diameter of the propeller can currently not exceed 143mm otherwise the blade would hit the fuselage, but i could design a 3d part between the mast and fuselage to lower it. But larger propeller means more drag and thus higher current?
What was the software you used to modifiy the original files?
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### Author:  [@JvdZ](https://foil.zone/u/JvdZ)
#### Post date: [September 12, 2024, 6:03pm UTC](https://foil.zone/t/prop-design-share/5849/288 "2024-09-12T18:03:23Z")
Aha, I understand the low torque application. Files came from a very early version of SolidWorks, 2011 I think. Modelled the ugly way with splines/crossections to form the blade geometry… So no parametric pitch adjustments.
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### Author:  [@Larsb](https://foil.zone/u/Larsb)
#### Post date: [September 12, 2024, 8:23pm UTC](https://foil.zone/t/prop-design-share/5849/289 "2024-09-12T20:23:16Z")
@Flo98 You can ask @superlefax = ([https://propellerking.com](https://propellerking.com)) if he has a 3-4” pitch prop to offer. I think his props are 3d-printed so might be possible to get something even though it’s not on the site, if there is a design already tested.
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### Author:  [@Flo98](https://foil.zone/u/Flo98)
#### Post date: [September 12, 2024, 9:48pm UTC](https://foil.zone/t/prop-design-share/5849/290 "2024-09-12T21:48:26Z")
that would be great, i will send him a pm!🙂
- For the diameter, should i stay at 143mm or go larger? (more current is needed for larger propeller?)
- For the pitch, you think 3-4"? I was advised some time ago FR, EML or Easy Foil 6” pitch. But these propellers are more than 143mm diameter
Otherwise i just started to use Pacificmeister parametric propeller but i am getting fusion error when i try to change ductGap (to change diameter of the blades) and not sure also how to change the pitch
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### Author:  [@Flo98](https://foil.zone/u/Flo98)
#### Post date: [September 13, 2024, 12:29am UTC](https://foil.zone/t/prop-design-share/5849/291 "2024-09-13T00:29:43Z")
one solution i see now is to use this 5’’ pitch duct and i have to cut it to reduce diameter to 143mm:
> **[Aluminum Alloy Propeller 3.5HP 3.5 HP Outboard Motor 2 Stroke For Flipsky...](https://flipsky.net/collections/propellers/products/aluminum-alloy-propeller-two-stroke-water-cooled-3-5hp-outboard-motor-propeller-for-flipsky-65161)**
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> Spec: Material: Aluminum Alloy Propeller model: 3X7 1/4"×5" Compatibility(thread shaft): 65161 Motor (round with thread shaft) Compatibility(splined shaft): 65161 Motor (splined shaft) / 85165 motor
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### Author:  [@Larsb](https://foil.zone/u/Larsb)
#### Post date: [September 13, 2024, 5:02am UTC](https://foil.zone/t/prop-design-share/5849/292 "2024-09-13T05:02:50Z")
3-4” assumption comes from that the most of us run 6-8” with 120kV motors.
Scale pitch with kV:
6x120/200=3.6
8x120/200=4.8
Your esc would probably be happier in the lower span of this, but 5” could be worth trying.
You don’t want a larger prop since that has a double effect on increased current. Flipsky prop needs to be cut down to roughly what you use today or less
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### Author:  [@KONUTZ](https://foil.zone/u/KONUTZ)
#### Post date: [September 13, 2024, 7:42am UTC](https://foil.zone/t/prop-design-share/5849/293 "2024-09-13T07:42:07Z")
@Larsb … please excuse my ignorance on prop design but what does that calculation illustrate?
Interested to know for my own lack of knowledge on tbe dark arts of prop design🤔
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### Author:  [@Larsb](https://foil.zone/u/Larsb)
#### Post date: [September 13, 2024, 1:36pm UTC](https://foil.zone/t/prop-design-share/5849/294 "2024-09-13T13:36:49Z")
No dark arts, only estimations and some physics behind. The numbers below are examples of what is working setups to compare against, not laws but they serve their purpose in this calc.
The flite prop (from memory) has about 7” pitch, gets you to roughly 120x44x7x0.0254x60x0.85, about 48kph with a common 12s 120kV setup. You don’t need much more 😃
Flo has issues with overheating the vesc, the current needed to create torque with his 200kV motor is (at least part of) the issues.
On a 120kV motor about 100-150A is needed to get up with good setups, let’s take 100A as an example, this is about 8Nm of torque, to get same torque on a 200kV motor you need 200/120\*100A=170A
Resistive heating increases by the square of current, the relative losses are then 170^2/100^2=2.9 - so it’s close to 3x higher heating
It’s easy to see that esc heating increases and could cause issues. Lowering the load on the motor is one possibility to decrease the heating, a prop of the same area and diameter but different pitch will achieve this (or a smaller one).
The torque to drive the propeller is proportional to pitch, and therefore a propeller pitch scaled with kV (7x120/200=4.2) would lower the current back down to 100A (but with a higher rpm to get same speed and power)
This calculation has a lot of assumptions, not 100% correct also since propeller efficiency seems to peak around pitch/dia=1
(i don’t know why really) so a 4.2” pitch / 6” dia propeller will probably have a bit lower efficiency - but can help with the esc heating.
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### Author:  [@Flo98](https://foil.zone/u/Flo98)
#### Post date: [September 13, 2024, 6:07pm UTC](https://foil.zone/t/prop-design-share/5849/295 "2024-09-13T18:07:46Z")
thanks for this detailed explanation @Larsb !!
I actually found today and ordered a 4.2 pitch propeller with 150mm diameter
> **[In Stock Maytech METP150 Plastic Propeller 150mm](https://maytech.cn/products/in-stock-metp150-plastic-propeller-150mm)**
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> In Stock Maytech METP150 Plastic Propeller 150mm for Maytech 65162, 70182 Waterproof Motor Specification: Model No. MTEP150 Material Plastic Diameter 150mm
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### Author:  [@Larsb](https://foil.zone/u/Larsb)
#### Post date: [September 13, 2024, 6:13pm UTC](https://foil.zone/t/prop-design-share/5849/296 "2024-09-13T18:13:39Z")
Where do you find the pitch of this prop?
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### Author:  [@Flo98](https://foil.zone/u/Flo98)
#### Post date: [September 13, 2024, 6:14pm UTC](https://foil.zone/t/prop-design-share/5849/297 "2024-09-13T18:14:55Z")
I contacted Maytech today, according to them it’s 4.2 pitch
I hope they are right
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### Author:  [@superlefax](https://foil.zone/u/superlefax)
#### Post date: [September 13, 2024, 6:52pm UTC](https://foil.zone/t/prop-design-share/5849/298 "2024-09-13T18:52:55Z")
Indeed I got two low pitch pink lady’s at home with 4" but they fit to an outrunner motor (6374/6384). I use them on my 20km/h Turbo SUP.
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### Author:  [@Flo98](https://foil.zone/u/Flo98)
#### Post date: [September 13, 2024, 7:34pm UTC](https://foil.zone/t/prop-design-share/5849/299 "2024-09-13T19:34:07Z")
these pink ones are from Maytech? What voltage and Kv do you have to reach 20km/h?
@Larsb i will probably stay up flying after takeoff without overheating, with such a pitch reduction from my flite prop (old fliteboard design, probably 7’‘) to 4.2’'. But I will already be at a high RPM and may not have a lot of RPMs left to go faster… I was hoping to reach something like 30kph
Can I think like:
I was taking off at 3250 rpm, so I will now take off at 3250 rpm x (7’’ / 4.2") = 5416 RPM. My motor can actually run up to around 8000 rpm (tested without load), so actually i have 2500 RPMs left…
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### Author:  [@Larsb](https://foil.zone/u/Larsb)
#### Post date: [September 13, 2024, 7:40pm UTC](https://foil.zone/t/prop-design-share/5849/300 "2024-09-13T19:40:53Z")
Sure, but you should be able to reach 10krpm. If you only reach 8000 at full voltage then there’s probably a limitation in your esc settings.
Just a note, at these high rpms there could be risks for magnets exploding and high eddy current heating. I don’t know what the rpm limit for your motor is. You better check this.
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