I like it, Reminds me of the Seadoo PWC. looks like the Spark. Fun toy.
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Thanks! I don’t think we’ll be selling those parts separately. The battery and the controller are so intertwined with software It wouldn’t be possible to use it with any other system. The pairing function is quite unique. You just tap the controller to the battery and its paired. Makes switching batteries a breeze.
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Thanks! It’s a racing drone with a GoPro mounted to it. 
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We are only selling them in the United States for now. Spare Batteries will likely cost somewhere around 2k.
If it is 4999$ in the US, then the price is good. It looks not to stable… but you can improve wings and I´m shure it will kik ass with that price;-) esp. for liftfoils.com and fliteboard 
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Has Lift bothered you at all?
Everyone on these forums seems to think Lift is threatening other US eFoil sellers with their bogus patent:
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Your web site claims variously 10mi range or 15-18mi range. And 22mph top end or 28mph top end. If this has the largest battery in the foil industry, it should be able to beat out Lift’s consistent 25-27mph top end and 12mi range.
Also, claims production in “Spring 2020” and “next Summer”.
Also, about that battery. Is it swappable or is it one board = one battery?
Can you clarify?
I see 3 versions listed:
Standard ($5k): 10 miles, 22 mph
Extended Range ($6k): 18 miles, 22 mph
Performance ($7k): 17 miles, 28 mph
Production “expected” to begin next spring makes me think it’s unlikely these will be ready for next summer. Other manufacturers all missed their estimates by at least 6 months, if I remember correctly.
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Nobody has challenged us on patents. We expect they will eventually. But it’s doubtful they would effect us. We are well funded and can afford protracted legal battles if necessary. We had a legal team of 5 experienced patent lawyers survey the patent landscape for two months. They came up with two of concern. Both did not apply to our product. There’s a certain well known eFoil company in the US that has some patents but whoever did them didn’t know what they were doing or they were just grasping at straws to get something in their portfoilio. I would not fear the patent landscape for these products. For the two patent references above… I’ve sent them to legal and will let you know if there is concerns.
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@NJfoiler has most of that right. The Performance models are produced first in late spring. The non performance models will be produced later on during the summer.
Battery is swappable. As many batteries as you want. Just tap the controller to the battery and you are all set. There is a standard capacity and a higher capacity unit. Largest is 50 amp hours at nominal 52v. I believe that makes it the largest in production.
Foil is completely modular. The board has no electronics in it whatsoever. The battery has all the brains. So (like a surfboard) when you inevitably break the board, you can order up another one without messy repairs. Just throw the mast on your new board, throw in the battery and ride. This also makes everything much cheaper. Hope that helps explain things. 
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Not really… As you are looking for customers on a DiY forum, you could post a few pictures to clear up our doubts. 
So you’re saying that you have everything inside a unique removable box which contains the battery and the ESC ? Did you choose to position the ESC above the mast as this design:
Our ESC is in the motor pod. You can see the cooling fins in this photo. Battery contains all control logic boards. One wire bundle connects the mast to the battery.
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I just noticed it says “50% deposit due within 7 days” for the one that’s being produced first (performance). That’s a bit tough to swallow without any sort of delivery date.
Would we be able to get a refund if they still haven’t shipped by the time summer rolls around?
To be fair, he’s only posting in a topic someone else created and it doesn’t look like the topic creator is associated with the company.
Full refund at anytime. On the final checkout page there is a preorder agreement you can read over if you’d like.
Awesome, one more random question: Are you guys planning to have any sort of referral program?
When I was riding the Lift efoil around my area I got stopped every 30 seconds by somebody asking where they could buy one. Most people balked at the $12k price tag but I bet these would sell like hotcakes.
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For sure. Referral program should be up in a few weeks. If you follow us on Instagram or Facebook we’ll post updates about that as well as videos and photos to keep you up to date.
It’s very funny how much attention these get isn’t it? The reaction we typically get is “Oh, that’s cheaper than my JetSki.” Or they want a complete breakdown of how it works… speed, battery, controller etc. Super fun talking to people about something completely new.
Haha yeah I would’ve preferred a smaller audience for my first time riding one but I’m glad so many people are interested. Felt kinda bad having to shatter their dreams with that $12k price tag though, so I’m really glad you guys are bringing something way more reasonably priced to the market – hope everything works out.
I have one of the cheapest jet skis (SeaDoo Spark) and it’s definitely more than $7k once you add the most basic options + cover + dealer fees + delivery, etc. Then you have to pay for gas, maintenance, storage/winterization. If you take all those things into account even the Performance model is significantly cheaper. Plus you can get 2 of the Extended model for the price of 1 Lift, which is great because I think a lot of people would actually be willing to sink $12k into the sport if they didn’t have to ride alone.
4 questions then :
1 - Your ESC: is it VESC compatible ? Available on the shelf ?
2 - Is it possible to get some wireless telemetry ?
3- Your clever RX module that allows to perform such an easy remote attachment: where is it located ? I would say inside the main battery pack with its antenna… The RX module there can collect the voltage of the main battery (board battery) and sends it uplink to the remote (remote display)
4 - How many cables pulled in the mast ? I would say only two 10AWG (battery in board to ESC in pod) plus a thin bundle of two 16AWG for THR/PWM signal and ground (5V coming from an UBEC in battery case ) ?
-> in the mast 2 rather thin battery wires only instead of 3 thick 8AWG motor wires capable of handling higher peak currents (+1 optional PU tube for cooling) allows new possibilities towards thinner masts so higher speeds …
Lot’s of questions and I can only answer a few. Mostly because I’m not a hardware or electrical engineer.
- No idea. Custom built by our engineers.
- No idea. If you mean GPS, yes, the controller has it. Gives speed redoubts.
- All electronics other than the ESC are in the battery. We have more than just a RX module. We have a processor in the battery that’s running control and safety schemes. Our controller has interfaces with full color display – not just numbers on a calculator screen. It’s like comparing an iPhone (us) to a Nokia from 1999 (everyone else). Im not being hyperbolic either.
- No idea. A few.
Yes. No pumps. All cooling is done in the water. High reliability and much less expensive to produce. Now you are seeing how we are able to produce these at a price half of others. 100 other decisions like that were made. Everything with the end goal of reducing complexity and decreasing cost.
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About those patents… Yea those are garbage. They aren’t even selling what they have a patent for. Just a scare tactic.
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