2x Budget eFoil Builds from Sweden

Hello everyone,

After a lot of reading on this forum, it’s time to build an eFoil. Actually two eFoils, because me and my friend want our own boards. We are engineering students trying to keep the costs down as much as possible, while still maintaining performance. Anyway, here is the parts list that I’m ordering soon.

Electronics:

  • Motor: Flipsky 65161 120KV 6kW
  • ESC: Flipsky 75200 V2.0 Pro water-cooled VESC with a builtin anti-spark switch
    • Water pump
  • Battery pack: 16S, 2P, 40Ah, LiFePO4, 120A continuous, 200A peak. (EVE C40)
    • BMS: 40A DALY Charge-only
    • 200A fuse
    • Charger: Generic 58.4V 20A
  • Remote: Flipsky VX3
  • Connectors (not yet decided)

—> Cost: Around 900 EUR

I know that using a LiFePO4 pack is kind of unusual, but I have seen a few positive reviews of this exact battery configuration here. The main reson for going LiFePO4 is that we have no experience building packs, so we don’t want to burn our houses down. There is no welding required as the pack simply bolts together. Total weight is 12.0kg. It’s just 4kg heavier than the Li-Ion equivalent. +4kg for a completely safe, powerful, high cycle-life battery is an easy tradeoff in my opinion.

Board:

  • XPS Foam sheets glued together with expanding foam and cut to shape
  • Glass fiber lamination
  • Wooden plank to bolt the mast on
  • Waterproof inspection hatch commonly used on boats (35x60 cm)
  • Smaller waterproof inspection hatch

—> Cost: Around 150 SEK

The board’s look isn’t a priority. I’m thinking one large waterproof hatch where an enclosed battery pack goes, and another hatch for ESC, waterpump, and receiver.

Foil & prop:

  • GONG v3 Ascent 19mm (XL front and rear wing)
  • Fliteboard propeller

—> Cost: Around 650 EUR

I weigh 90kg, so I believe that this setup will work? We have tried to find cheaper foil alternatives without success. It seems stupid to buy an AliExpress no-name foil for a little cheaper than GONG.

Total cost: Around 1700 EUR or 2000 USD

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Interesting build, if you want to keep the cost down i can suggest a 65220 motor and an aliexpress flipsky foldable propeller for around 50 EUR. Furthermore, check out LIPO batteries from a place like hobbyking.com, it is going to be even cheaper and much much lighter.

Maybe also convert this thread to EUR currency so that we will know what you are talking about :slight_smile:

Spot welding honestly is not that bad, I was nervous about it but it’s honestly a breeze. Your batteries are going to take up a lot of space, you’ll have to position them inside your cavity carefully. You should spend the time to make a cad model so you can lay everything out before building.

I’m in the middle of my own build Derek's first eFoil build — 65161/75200/Gong V2/14S9P DIY from Boise

If you use the prebuilt marine hatches, specifically the square ones, they are prone to leaking, so take measures to waterproof inside the cavity

Price Breakdown On my Build

Executive Summary

Component Cost
Battery System $495
Propulsion & Motor Control $558
Foil & Mast System $652
Board Structure & Hardware $625
Enclosures & Electrical $185
Tools & Consumables $105
Safety & Riding Gear $183
Refunds (design iteration) −$362
TOTAL (Net) ~$3,241

Detailed Breakdown by System

Battery Pack: $495

Item Price Notes
BAK N21700CG-50 cells (130pc case) $247.00 126 cells for 14S9P pack + 4 spares
Heyiarbeit 21700 Spacers (2×50pc) $25.42 22.3mm spacer brackets for 9×14 grid
SUIDI 0.2×10mm Pure Nickel Strip (3 rolls) $41.97 P-groups + bridging strips, stacked layer
Battery Hookup Spot Welder $85.50 DIY spot welder for ~1,000 trigger pulls
Heat Shrink & Insulation (bundled) ~$26 Kapton tape + PVC shrink tubing
JK BMS BD6A20S15P 150A $61.63 Common-port battery management system
58.8V 5A Charger $40.54 Converts to XT150 connectors
150A ANL Fuse Holder $10.59 Pack short-circuit protection
Misc (push button, connectors, tools) ~$42 Crimpers, heat shrink, wire prep, balance harness
Subtotal $495

Propulsion System: $558

Item Price Notes
Flipsky 65161 Motor $298.00 120KV, 12mm threaded shaft, water-cooled jacket
Flipsky 75200 Pro V2 ESC $150.00 Motor controller, aluminum PCB, built-in power button (unused)
Flipsky VX3 Pro Remote $110.00 Waterproof throttle + wireless receiver module
MakerWorld 160mm Prop (3D-printed) $0.00 Free STL (community-designed), printed in-house on Bambu A1
jkoljo Motor Mount (3D-printed) $0.00 Free STL (Thingiverse #5996522), printed in-house
Subtotal $558

Foil & Mast System: $652

Item EUR USD Notes
Gong X-Over V2 XL Front Wing €149.17 $162.60 95cm span, 1,650 cm², main lift
Gong X-Over V2 Stabilizer €70.83 $77.20 48cm, 335 cm², rear lift
Gong Alu Mast V2 85cm €37.50 $40.88 Hollow aluminum, phase wire conduit
Gong Pro Alu Fuselage V2 €44.17 $48.14 Front connection pod
Gong Allvator V2 Mast-Fuselage Connector €29.17 $31.79 Series joint component
Gong Top Plate Alu V2 €21.67 $23.62 Mast-to-board mounting interface
Gong Screw Kit (included) Foil-internal fasteners
Gong Shipping (EUR) €115.50 $125.99 International shipment to USA
US Import Duties & Brokerage $101.90 Customs clearance + handling fees
€480.51 $626.15
Mast Hardware (M6 bolts, washers, nylocs) $26 Through-bolt fastening to board top plate
Subtotal $652

Board Structure & Hardware: $625

Item Price Notes
Kingspan XPS Foam (2" layers) $95.96 2 4x8" stack split down
Sande Plywood (3/4") $70.57 Tropical hardwood base + hatch lid
TotalBoat 5:1 Epoxy (slow) $315.85 3L kit (2 quarts + 1 gallon, with pumps)
Fiberglass Cloth (6oz) (bundled) 4 hull layers, 3 deck, 2 hatch per side
EVA Deck Pad (bundled) 74.8"×27.6" anti-slip grip surface
Foam Shaping Tools $36.40 Surform rasp, snap knife, sanding gear
Hatch Hardware $46.48 SS strap hinges (2), cam latches (2), EPDM seal
Paint & Primer $48.86 Rust-Oleum 2X: gray primer + key lime + clear
Surfacing Materials $42.86 Sanding discs, brushes, rollers, filler
Carrying Handles $13.77 2× Pelican SUP handles
Subtotal $625

Enclosures & Electrical: $185

Item Price Notes
PETG Filament (green + ASA) $19.07 4 corner enclosure pieces (3D-printed)
6061 Aluminum Plates $0 TBD after pack build (est. $50 SendCutSend or DIY)
Hardware (bolts, inserts, washers) $50 M4 & M6 fasteners, brass heat-set inserts
Marine Sealants $32.73 3M 4200 (permanent flexible), Permatex Ultra Black (RTV)
Neoprene Gasket (TORRAMI) $26.68 1/8" sheet, dual-use: battery + mast seal
IP68 Junction Boxes (CESFONJER) ~$63.54 6× M25 waterproof housings (2 battery + 3 phase + 1 spare) for XT150 connectors
Misc (cable glands, epoxy thickener) ~$25 Wire pass-throughs, Cab-O-Sil silica
Subtotal $185 (+ ~$50 aluminum TBD)

Tools & Consumables: $105

Item Price Notes
Soldering & Heating $36.08 Soldering iron + heat gun (reusable)
Safety Equipment $109.76 Respirator, nitrile gloves, Tyvek coverall
Workspace $21.98 10’×12’ tarp drop cloth
Misc Hardware & Fasteners $60 Threaded rod, threadlocker, fasteners
IPA & Cleaning $11.99 Surface prep for bonding (99% isopropyl)
Subtotal $105 (Mainly consumables; tools reusable)

If you take a look at my price breakdown, you will see how easily the little things add up.

The 65220 is tempting, but I am considering the 65161 with a separate ESC for more power. I have read that the fliteprop is the ideal match for the 65161. I don’t want to deal with lipos. My experience is that cells puff, and die easier. I cannot easily replace a cell in a lipo. I will change to EUR currency

Yeah, I’ll make a complete CAD-model of the foil at first. Alright, I didn’t know about the square/rectangular hatches leaking. Everything behind them will be closed on boxes anyways. You’ve got a point about the price, I just listed up the most expensive parts. A lot will be 3d-printed, and I have the tools.

flipsky remote go for vx5

I will strongly advice against Daly BMS even for balancing. If it’s the standard one, the balancing current is too small for large batteries. JK smart BMS is much better on all accounts even price. Active balancing with 0.4A and BT app for $35 is a bargain.

Edit: Just checked last Daly offerings and they may have improved since I moved over to JK, but in any case make sure it has active balancing as passive balancing is typical 30mA.

Can I ask you why you think it’s worth 150 EUR more?

That is great info! I will definitely go with JIKONG. Im thinking the BD4A17S4P

Don‘t bother using a square hatch they leak and are not stiff enough to step on them. Either go split pack 2x6-8S that fits through a round hatch or build a lid with seal. You find many working builds od either type on this forum. If you build a lid, put the cam latches outside of the dry zone so yoo don‘t have to waterproof them.

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You might want to consider ram water feed rather than pump. The pump is just another component that could fail and/or leak.

The other cooling option that keeps the water away from electronics is a VESC/plate/mast base. Big heat sink if you have aluminum mast.

I second the VX5 remote suggestion.

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Thats the one I use for my efoil and ebike batteries, about 5-6 pc for 3 years without problems. It’s so important to be able to monitor cell voltage to catch drift or bad cells in time. Also good idea to put the temp sensor(s) inside the battery shrinkwrap.

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water pomp also is unnecessary. mount waterhose in tip of motor mount and by movement of the foil the water ciculates in to your your esc (i have it like that and works fine)

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