Assist DIY Aluminium case - FD GenII compatible parts - Poll for group order

Hi there,

Opening this poll to gauge interets in creating a group order for a DIY aluminium case for creating your own style Foil Drive GenII assist.

The brief is a case fully compatible with FD original parts to allow the DIY builder to create their own version. This will allow experts to use only the case, while more amateur builders could buy batteries, nose cones or motors from the original FD website.

Please if you think this is a good idea, I would appreciate you filling the google form attached.

If this makes sense and there’s anough interest (5-10 cases) I would be happy to run this project!

Thanks,

Jordi

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Same idea, minus FD compatibility?

Yup, very similar ideal but trying to aim to those with limited resources for batteries and 3d prints, etc…

Batteries is the main topic for sure, other parts you can order easily online now :wink:

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Batteries are the main topic as well as the case in my opinion.
If no case, the only doable thing is a backpack foil assist style.
I my case, having someone able to help me getting an aluminium case for doing my own project is really a good thing!
So yes, I upvote this and am looking forward to others so we can gather a little group and work together on this.

Thanks @Jordi

What about a solder less battery build, that could be assembled by ordering parts and assembly, without spot welding and potting?

I worked in the past on solder less batteries, (2016) but did not have issues of waterproofing then…

I will work on such concept to make my 12S1P setup airplane safe (up to 20 cells per person is easy in most airplane companies) See last link, same idea.




Cells holder has holes for springs, springs push on nickel, nickel carries the load. This 10S6P was used without issue for a while.

Thermally, there was no visible hot spots on the strips :
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Had a design file back in the days :


Other things I have seen done :

Also discussed here :

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Pull apart travel battery pack - great concept!!

Seems like the travel is a bit of a minefield with some flights going well and some not so well. Nothing clearer for airlines than individual cells and the limit appears to be 20 batteries under 100Wh.

Much simpler than the multiple 6S1P and the new cells are pushing 6S1P over 100Wh anyway.

I just ordered 24 RS50 cells to play with - 12S1P with these new tabless cells could be perfect.

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Very interesting as well!
If it is slim enought to enter into a box under the board, I’d say why not buying one kit from you :slight_smile:

Making a solderless battery is easy, making one able to handle 50A per cell is a whole other game, and making it as a kit that can reliably be assembled by amateur technicians and be lifetime reliable and safe in salt water is an almost impossible challenge. :laughing:

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@Bzhwindtalker this is a great idea just not so sure on how doable it is!

If we could reliably design a pull apart battery, that is contained within a waterproof case would be a game changer!

Some serious design effort would need to go onto this though…

Jordi

These are Virgin Atlantic’s rules:

If I travel with family thats 80 cells
Or if I configure 6s1p packs 480 cells :rofl:

@Bzhwindtalker I’ll be interested to see if you come up with something. This reminds me of a few other compression based battery packs I’ve seen.

The N.E.S.E modules, which are already targeted at a DIY crowd. Form factor appears similar but they actually only make p-groups that then are screwed together to make series connections.

Then trampa actually sells a pcb based battery kit. However being a 7P pack and having 20A fuse on each cell, this pack has much lower amps/cell than you are planning.

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I will update about it in my S3 thread and keep from hijacking this thread :wink:

edit @S_Roger Was not aware of the trampa design, nice one

The fact that you could rent FD batteries locally is indeed a good idea, but at that point why not rend the FD directly?

I would be 100% be interested in participating in a group buy for one or two aluminum case(s) based on @Bzhwindtalker’s design

Hi,

@Bzhwindtalker designs is great and a big contribution to the community but still requires skills/tools which only the more advanced DIY person has.

My initial idea was an aluminium case which is fully compatible with the FD parts so the community can buy the parts that don’t have resources to get.

Doing some rough numbers you could put together something quite similar to an assist MAX for about 1.5k. You’ll need to interface the VESc via a bluetooth and you wont have the nice user interface that FD has but you’d have saved about 3.5k for a couple of days of work!

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I am sure you guys have seen this system too.
Maybe they are to big?