Battery building and charging best practice sharing regarding safety

With the focus on Waydoo there is a lot of knowledge being exposed in this group.
I thought it was time to share how we build our DYI batteries and trying to share good ideas on how we can increase safety. Also honestly I do not believe that I build better batteries than Waydoo and I would like to keep my house.
So, I come from mechanical background and try to always apply the KISS principle on projects, sofar I have made 3 battery packs >1,5kwh for efoil and managed to short single cells once or twice in the making, which means bringing out the fire extinguisher.

The Battery
Like @kotnascher and other I use the 15€ Max004 enclosure. It fits my board, is watertight and has carrying handle.
I 3D print connection-blocks for the shortside that contain female 8mm bullets and a male DB9 connector for balancing. I have not used internal fuses on either power or balancing connectors.
To my excuse the balancing cables are extremely thin signal cables that can not carry >10A.

I use 21700 cells and either do 2mm cell spacing when doing 14S8P packs or only 0,5mm spacing when doing 16s8p packs. I weld using single 10x0,3 strips and a setting of about 80J for welds. I am not sing any busbars.
When tested I wrap the package in a couple of layer of heat proof Kapton tape. and use thin 2mm shock absorbent layer top and bottom to have the cells completely fixed.
On the Max004 I remove the rubber seal and apply ample amount of Sika 291 marine sealant, and keep battery under pressure during the night while seal is curing. Then put 2 M4 screws through the lid to secure it.

The charging
Like many of you I want the battery packs to be cheap and contain minimum amount of components so I do external balancing. The setup includes a 24v 50A power supply and 2 ISDT T8 balance chargers, that I always have on max 1,2kw limit, meaning 2,5A per cell.
Many cables to connect for every charge, but it has worked flawlessly for at least 100 cycles so far.

I have no secure charging/storage for my packs yet. Thinking of getting a alu box with 1,5mm thickness to fill with some sand. Anyone with real experience of fire in similar one?

The board
For me the focus has been on building the best simple waterproofing, thinking a dry battery is a safe battery.
The lid & box design in 3mm alu is a bit “steampunk” but it means that I can use a very simple 5€ car-door seal and use the rim of the lid to keep the compression constant. The lid is locked only outside the seal by using horizonal pin into the rim (like a normal door lock). I have not seen this very simple design here before. It has worked well solar, but I mostly ride 190L or 140L inflatable round the box, so it is very seldom fully immersed in water.
The ESC box is same design as @pacificmeister has documented here, for what it’s worth I had not seen his design when I made mine. :slight_smile:

Due to the KISS principle I do not have any external fuse either or any cheap FET-antispark switch.
I use a normal 200A boat switch 15€where you can switch between to 2 batteries separately.
I connect a 50Ohm resistor between 1 and 2 selector. When I power on I go first one 1s to 1 position and later put on 2 that has direct connection to battery. I have not seen anyone do this, but it has been flawless and I can recommend.


I would value any input on how I could improve the setup especially regarding safety and also hope others are willing to share here or link to earlier posts on these subjects.

-7*C outside now in Sweden and no ride for almost a week, finally some time for reflection and improvements for the 2021 project.
Cheers, Mattias

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Thanks for sharing your design ideas. Do you have some details about the connection blocks you made on the max0004 case? The serial connection seems to be on the outside so that you can charge individually.
The max0004 cases are made of PP, very difficult to glue on, even with epoxy or silicone. How did you mount the connection blocks?

I actually have similar box like you…The lip seal works perfect so far… Actually it`s very similar to that waydoo lip seal… I like their design of that seal sitting in the alloy top plate with 2 lips, getting pressed by the battery box …very clever and efficient. Additionally they put another seal a bit further outside to remove pressure from that main 2lip seal… :+1: Very good idea, much better then what I saw on others and easy to DIY. So will do a similar box my self… Alloy plate is no problem.
Anyone has a rectangular box max 90mm could be used as lower part? oOtherwise I think of something similar like this…

This safety magnet distance switch inside the waydoo is very clever too… Most smart BMS have I/0 contact so I will connet this to magnetic read swtich so it will only have power once inserted… or maybe even add a safety leash to it, so it will act as a kill switch for the whole electric… :+1:

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Sikaflex 291 as sealant/glue and then 2 screws from inside per block

CIm96dm7 - Thank you for sharing, your post has brought me so solid insight…

My system is for sure not perfect, neither I am :sweat_smile:
I have a printed podium for the batteries. This has two advantage: easy to fit some straps and battery will not sit in the water in case there is some leakage. Disadvantage: increased height.


Below the podium there is my beloved water beeper which warned my already couple of times. Especially in the first couple of rides where my box had some issues with leakages it was worth every penny.

My battery is just wrapped in heat shrink.
I hope to avoid serious water contact with above mentioned protection. However I charge after each ride to storage voltage and I am always around during charging. Now my batteries are at sleep, but I monitor the cell voltage every month. What I truly miss is a suitable box for in-house storage.

About the heated waydoo discussion: one should not forget that such customer from a commercial source might not have same interested in the technology as we builders have. Therefore, I think even if our packs are not ip6x proof, we take much more care of our products. Clearly nobody would re-use a flooded battery without any additional test runs and or re-assembly.

Cheers

Hey guys, Ive a 14S8P battery. 2 of the S are damaged so im down to 12S8P. Ive a charged to suit 58.8V 10A. Does anyone know if I can still use this charger even tho my pack will now be 50.4V?

Yikes! Which S are damaged, did you rewire it?

Ya fully taken apart and re-wired, everything tested and balanced so just wondering on the voltage from the charger?

Ahh ok, just wanted to make sure it wasn’t getting charged with dead cells in there, ice seen people try dumber things with lipos!

You’ll need a 50.4v charger. The 58.8 won’t work. Could use the 58.8 charger to power a rd6012 https://m.aliexpress.com/item/4001053200176.html?trace=wwwdetail2mobilesitedetail&spm=a2g0n.store_home.slider_4176129.2

Then you can set your voltage and current to whatever you want. When I get a good Bms in stuff that is what I’m going to use

Thanks! Looks like an interesting piece of kit

So it looks like this will be just as good?

Will this work?

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