Many expected Waydoo owners pimping their board 
here will require a new thread.
After the Ford T, the Waydoo T (One) 
Looking forward to seeing your first tests Donald.
I am looking forward to read from those people and eventual mods !
- I hope Waydoo is not gonna charge $3.5K for selling boards separately like Lift does
IIRC from the Kickstarter campaign survey I completed, the EPP board on it’s own was <$1000 (I think closer to $700-800). I have seen photos online of a Carbon Flyer ONE prototype, so I imagine that’s in the works but probably will be an additional $2k over existing EPP eFoil package ($7k retail?) or $2k on it’s own…
Sure…I’ll probably be out on the lake again next week.
I’ll measure the prop and let you know…
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No problem…Enjoy the board 
I love it
The only minor complaint I have after a few sessions, is that you really can feel where the battery is because the rest of the board is simply softer. Nothing major, but the other boards which I’ve tried didn’t have that issue. However, I do feel that the effortless disconnecting & connecting of the battery mostly makes up for this.
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Very promising cable-free solution + conical/taper fit of the ESC box that makes it waterproof too:
@Maxlw are the 4 faces conical ? I presume yes like the KFbox otherwise it wouldn’t be waterproof. A vacuum DiY solution made out of carbon wouldn’t be so difficult to make
Found here: Waydoo Flyer One Efoil Unboxing And Review
If only they would ship their Kickstarter orders… August is over and nobody has any shipping info yet.
They start shipping already, and there’s a backer group on Facebook. Should be fine
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Hi.
My mind is blown. I’m sorry, but this board is absolutely terrible. I hope I’m wrong. But, such a cheap design. That mast is not gonna stay on the board with those quick connectors. That EPP soft foam board isn’t gonna last a year. The first time that front wing bumps the bottom it’s gonna break off. The rear wing is attached to the prop shroud? Terrible.
Like I said… For all you guys that bought these, I hope I’m wrong. I really do. Time will tell. 
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Sure, it appears as a minimum solution on many aspects. However:
- there is no cable just a single block with 2 male/female connectors for the whole equipment
- mast to board connection is a conical block section, apparently on four sides (to be confirmed). Ketos implemented this solution has early as 2010 on their hydrofoil and they were so confident that they open sourced the standard, it’s been adopted by many brands mostly European. Tens of thousands of boards have been sold with this solution. On a technical side, Ketos have demonstrated that as low as 3 degree clearance is enough and you need a single screw to hold the block in place.
It doesn’t work like the Takuma picture showing shear delamination and ripped skin. It works like a laundry pole concrete foundation block : the more front and flat surface facing the stress direction, the more bumping/spreading effect you receive from the surrounding medium, the stronger you are… plus a bit of EPP compression on the trailing edge side and some tearing on the leading edge one explain the L shape of the female alu frame on the board bottom. Here, the strain is massively transferred horizontally / longitudinally in the board material. If the alu frame is correctly bonded, it’s going to be a success. For me the point showing that it is genius is that it works without board skin. - EPP use. We’ve seen board skin damage in a rental because any equipment faces harsh conditions there. If you avoid rocks and pontoons, the danger is also what happens out of the water between two uses. For a private use, if the board is carefully stored in its cover after use (transport, car, garage) people should be happy. We don’t have any hindsight about sun and UV damage on this material though.
Eventually, if the board surface is too dented, it is always possible to apply one or two layers of carbon or fiber glass with epoxy
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Can you elaborate on that, @Flightjunkie? Do you consider it structurally poor, hydrodynamically poor…? Genuinely curious. To the initiated (me), and assuming the prop shroud is robust, it seems like a tidy solution.
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Hi.
To attach the rear wing to the plastic prop shroud is ridiculous.
Everyone takes the prop shroud off as soon as they learn how to ride. The prop shroud causes a 20% reduction in performance, speed, drag, battery life. Nick Leason at Lift has confirmed this.
Also, it’s like having a huge stabilizer on the tail. Feels like having training wheels on. Without a shroud the e-foil boards are so much more maneuverable and fun to ride.
Then there is the desire to modify things as you progress. This Waydoo design does not lend itself to being modified or upgraded. You can’t even remove the prop shroud. So much for upgrading to a better prop, or folding prop for surfing.
This e-foil board is $7500? So not worth it. My DIY boards out perform the Lift board and the Fliteboard and can be built for $4k - $8k depending on the board, foil, battery, and ESC choices.
The Waydoo is not modular. The first time you bump the bottom the front wing is gonna snap off, breaking the fuselage and you’ll be trying to figure out how to mail this back to China for repair. The rear wing attached to the prop shroud is a joke. Isn’t the prop shroud plastic? Do they honestly think you can attach the rear foil with plastic and not have it break off?
Like I said before…I hope I am wrong for the sake of all those people who bought these. And we will all find out soon enough.
From an engineering standpoint this design is no different then what has sadly become the norm of cheap Chinese design and manufacturing.
I would stay away until this product is stress tested for 12 months. Unacceptable risk.
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There are people who have been riding this design for the past 6 months. DIY is not an option for most and neither is $12k++ for a Lift/Flite. Hopefully Waydoo builds a reliable product and stands behind their warranty if there are issues. There’s lots of room in the market for lower cost commercial options. Removing the prop guard is not a priority for most people - perhaps they’ll develop a higher performance fuselage design for more advanced riders down the line. I’m excited to receive mine and start riding it - waiting a year to see how it develops is fine but I’m willing to accept some risk to be eFoiling during that time instead.
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Ok, so structurally and hydrodynamically ok (maybe), just not designed to cater for the tinkerer? It’s difficult to reconcile the abject fervour of your criticism with the topic of customisability. So, if one is happy with the way it performs… is it ok?
True dat! I’ve ridden one without the shroud and the stabiliser and that was fun to ride! 
Come on, man. I know this is a builder’s forum and the quality of your work is clearly held in high regard but it’s no comparison, is it? How many hours of work does each of your efoils require you to invest and what specialised skills, tools and premises allow you to do so? This product is not targeted at the likes of you. It’s targeted at the (evidently) thousands of people who just want to exchange cash for ride.
There are local distributors though, right? They’ll probably handle the warranty and aftercare (I’m guessing).
Couldn’t agree more! Interested to see how it all plays out.
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Na, Not really. Flightjunkie built a battery and slapped it on to a proven FR motor and a lift board. The guys got quite an ego.
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The rear wing is attached to a plastic prop shroud. This is not structurally sound. It will break off.
I have a friend with a Fliteboard and a different friend with a Lift board. My board out performs both of their boards and if I’m not careful I keep them out for too long and end up towing them back in. My board is also faster. I wouldn’t trade my board for either of their boards, so that’s saying something. Not to mention I can easily fix anything that breaks on my board myself. I am not at the mercy of any company.
That’s what they want you to think. But, I have not seen any proof of a distributor in the US.
Listen. I’m just trying to provide you guys some information that is coming from an experienced builder that sees these problems with the Waydoo design. I’m not trying to start trouble. I’m not trying to sell anything. If you decide to buy a Waydoo, at least you’ve been forewarned. I’ll keep my fingers crossed for you.
Be careful what you hear from a lot of the users that post positive things on this thread. If you look up their profiles you don’t see them doing much else. They are clearly representatives of Waydoo.
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Hmm… I’m interested where the claim of building it for $4k came from then. A Lift board is $4,800 by itself, maybe less if you can special order one without the electronics. The FR motor system is $2,000. Battery cells are another $750+, then you need the BMS and materials to build a waterproof battery. You also still need a wing, ESC and a remote, so that’s probably another $1,000.
Without adding any consideration for tools or labor we’re already up to $9,000.
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Hahahaha. Maybe I deserve that. And for that impression, I’m sorry.
@michion is probably a better efoil builder then I am. I owe a lot of my success to you Michion. When other builder wouldn’t share, you shared your mast mount for the 65161 motor, and the prop shroud. Thank you, and sorry for whatever I said to piss you off. But, while you’re here, do you mind sharing you opinion of the Waydoo board and whether or not it receives your endorsement?
And yes. My first board was the lift board with the FR unit. And my battery design, I based on the Lift design with some improvements like larger wire size and no BMS.
My board out performs because of a better suited foil, and other small factors. I’m not reinventing the wheel. Anyone can build a DIY board like I did. That’s why I’m suggesting people to build their own instead of buying a off brand product.
I have detailed my builds for anyone to copy.
Honestly, I’m just trying to help.
No offense was taken. Thank you for letting me know how I am coming across. I’ll try to tone it down. I just worry about the people who are buying these, that they are getting ripped off.
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I said $4k - 8k. And yes. I don’t count my time and labor in my cost estimates.
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I consider myself an accomplished esk8 builder but having read your second build thread, I can confidently report that your claim is untrue! 
I really wish it was though. I actually set about building one until I saw the Waydoo. I figure it’s probably easier to creatively maintain something like that than to build something from scratch. I also expect that it won’t be too long until there’s an aftermarket for mods.
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