A build with a feminine touch?

3rd_ave_Lien · February 2, 2021, 1:15am

To get started, I printed the motor mast clamp, just because it seemed like something I could do.
Following the method used by YAHEF, I adapted the design to my mast and motor using fusion 360, and to make a long story short, ended up printing it in PETG with 100% fill.

QUESTION: has anybody used a PETG mast clamp without any additional processing (fiberglassing, epoxy filling, etc…)? I just reinforced mine with a couple of heavy duty (200lb) tie wraps around the circumference…

EDIT: after reading here about improving the strength of the print, i might reprint the clamp with:

PETG
layer height: 0.15mm
layer width: 0.56 mm (140% of nozzle width)
perimeters, top and base layers: 10
infill: 100% honeycomb (don’t know if patterns matters at that point)

Not taking any chances!

kotnascher · February 2, 2021, 1:56am

Hi there. I 'm using my PETG mastclamp without additional reinforcement for over a year now, but with the lightweight-motor APS63100. If you like to use a printed clamp for the maytech motor i would recommend printing it with 0.6mm extrusion width (even with a 0.4mm nozzle) and placing it not vertical but 30degree tilted.
I’ve never heard of a “MTI54162”, are you shure or do you mean the 65162?

In my opinion the best way to mount a heavy motor is this way, @superlefax and i are using it on our latest build.

3rd_ave_Lien · February 2, 2021, 1:57am

Oops, yes MTI65162. Thank you for your suggestion

3rd_ave_Lien · February 2, 2021, 1:58am

Is there a way to edit / correct a post?

kotnascher · February 2, 2021, 1:59am

Jup, there should be a pencil under your post

kotnascher · February 2, 2021, 2:08am

by the way we just finished our Surf’n’Destroy rifle case eFoil which was pretty cheap although we just used “high quality” components.

3rd_ave_Lien · February 2, 2021, 2:14am

Can you point me to a more detailed explanation of your mount? Thanks!

jkoljo · February 2, 2021, 3:35am

Here is my work in progress mount for FS65161 to Gong mast. It is quite similar to the one used in the rifle case eFoil. It comes with a water pass thru (brass tube) in the nosecone. As the design is still a work in progress, it should only be used as a reference. If someone decides to print it, I cannot guarantee fitment. I will be able to finish the mount when my Gong mast arrives, so I can properly reverse engineer the shape. This current shape is my best guesstimate based on some pictures and diagrams in the mast database.

Valhalla · February 2, 2021, 3:52am

My first Mast clamp I did 2 perimeter with 75% infill and noticed water dripping out while letting it dry. After I changed to a 6 Perimeter with 75% infill I haven’t had any issues either with durability and water tightness.

Ackermann · February 2, 2021, 11:25am

I can also recommend to print the traditional mast clamp with 0% infill and like 6 perimeter/wall. Afterwards fill the hollow clamp with epoxy. You can have a look in my build (Newcomer build)

3rd_ave_Lien · February 2, 2021, 6:33pm

Thank you for the suggestion. I was considering the epoxy fill, but my building buddy tells me PETG seems harder than epoxy. Any research on that?

(100% fill PETG with 200lb tie wraps that I printed for a friend who needed to route the motor wires around the mast)

JvdZ · February 2, 2021, 6:43pm

Printed petg at >95% infill works perfect. I did the same in 2 builds.
The filled-with-epoxy solution is proven too.

brycej · February 2, 2021, 8:51pm

I did pretty similiar except I used a gyroid infill which let the epoxy flow throughout the whole part. Worked pretty well!

I don’t think I’ve actually see anyone that broke their mount yet regardless of method… has anyone else?

Ackermann · February 2, 2021, 10:07pm

There are some broken clamps which has been print only. Don’t ask me about the infill. I chose the epoxy because it’s more like a mold and strong in every direction.

3rd_ave_Lien · February 3, 2021, 12:53am

Thank you for sharing! Wow, that’s quite a refined design. Mine in contrast is very basic. I will refine it later, using ideas offered here.

I live in the SF Bay area too. Where are you testing your eFoil?

3rd_ave_Lien · February 3, 2021, 1:02am

Concerning POM, I found some 100 x 100 x 8 mm pieces on eBay. How easy/hard is it to cut and drill it to size ?

jkoljo · February 3, 2021, 1:55am

Thanks for the feedback! I haven’t built my board yet, I am still waiting for a few parts such as the foil assy (ordered, on its way) and a board from Noahark. That should arrive in the near future. My friend lives and surfs in Santa Cruz so I’ll probably do most of my testing and learning there.

3rd_ave_Lien · February 3, 2021, 7:03pm

Ah, too bad. I will be mostly at 3rd ave in Foster City. It might be fun to share our experiments.

3rd_ave_Lien · February 3, 2021, 7:34pm

POWER and SPEED considerations
So the next step for me was to figure out how much power is required (even though I already bought the MTI65162 motor because it seemed like a good deal).
My assumptions:

total weight of rider+eFoil : 100kg / 220lb
foil and mast: old Liquid Force model

Using my friend’s java foiling simulator I determined that:

speed of least drag = 6 m/s (13.5 mph 21.5 km/h)

I am thinking of optimizing the propulsion design so I can have the longest ride possible at that speed. Does it make sense?

foilmore · February 3, 2021, 10:13pm

Is it the original foil fish that came with that mast? I started foiling on that one 4 years ago. I weight just under 200 pounds, so it could be different for you. Below 12mph and it stalls. Above 20 mph it gets quite difficult to control. The speed that is most fun to me and easiest to control it is ~15-17mph.