Molicel P42A battery build for a tow boogie

I’m building a tow boogie based on Valhalla’s template.
Battery is a 13s6p configuration with 21700 Molicel P42A cells in standard plastic battery holders, rated at about 1200wh. These cells can output a max of 45A each, and would (might) be comfortable putting out 20A for a total of 120A continuous if required (for short bursts). They are supposed to have a good cycle life, around 500 cycles at 20A (with cool down after use), so it should have a much longer service life than lipos.

I’m using a JBD/LithiumBatteryPCB 30A BMS with bluetooth for charge only. It’s nice being able to use an android phone to check the battery status, and it seems to use very little power when it goes into power saving mode after you disconnect the phone app. The BMS leads are routed parallel so that they aren’t going to rub through each other. Littlefuse 2A pico fuses where the BMS leads join the cells, with wires running down the negative end of cells, so that if they did short the cell it wouldn’t cause an issue.

There is a 200A fuse on the discharge lead, bypassing the BMS so that the VESC isn’t limited on current. There’s a 30A blade fuse on the charge lead.

The cells are connected with 30mm 0.2mm pure nickel strip. I made a 3d printed tool (offset air bender) so that I could shape the strip to fit the battery holders.

Welded with a k weld, using my car battery 30J and 1150A.

I was initially going to use an AliExpress plastic electrical enclosure for the battery (approx 370x200mm), but it was flimsy/bendy and I’m sure it would have leaked, so I borrowed Flightjunkie’s idea of a clear plastic box. The walls are 4.5mm polycarbonate throughout the box, with 10mm reinforcement columns in the corners, with a nasty solvent based acrylic glue for strong joints. The polycarbonate case weighs 1.3kg, and it’s 370 x 200 x 76mm. The lid will be held on with m3 screws tapped into the base, and sealed with Bostik ISR 70-03 (great glue, sticks to polycarbonate, sealant and adhesive).

It has an XT90s connector on the discharge leads, and a xt60 for charging.

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wow, very clean and nice battery!!

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Very nice, I really want to ditch my lipo and order li-ion cells but my budget is tight, I can afford 3$/cell, which not so hard to find on AliExpress.
I’m not sure about customs/taxes in my country, they don’t like people importing batteries, 180~200 cells is quite a big package :unamused:

Better get some quality cells from a reputable seller, I would not build a pack from Chinese cells unless you are sure aboute the quality and tested some samples. There are also fake cells on the market, as there is a shortage and prices went up. If you build from cheap cells from unknown source it might end up in disaster or just not last for long.
Molicel P42A are still available (but not for 3$).

If you live in the US I would try these guys, they have lost of quality yet cheap batteries.

Looks really nice and they are the best batteries around. However 20A comfortably is an overstatement. I pull avg 5A each from my pack and it is rather warm from a session (around 45*C). Takes around 2h to cool down before charging again.
If i was building today then I would but thermocouple inside and connect as motor-temp on vesc.

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I’m only planning up to 20A per cell discharge when I’m getting up onto the foil. Interesting that you’re seeing 45 deg C with only 5A.

In this test they see 45 deg C after fully discharging a cell at 30A, obviously a single cell not in an enclosure…

I think some things consider is what cells your using, are you using to same cells jatem? also how big is your pack, how many in series and how many in parallel? Another thing is how close are your cells together is there a couple millimeters between the cells if not there’s less cooling and it’s easier for the whole battery to heat up

I’m interested in whether the nickel strip contributes to heat. There’s an ampacity chart by matador on endless sphere which rates 10mm wide 0.2mm nickel at around 3A , but it seems very conservative. On esk8 they allow much higher ratings, around 20A for 10mm 0.2mm nickel…

I suspect the wide 0.2mm strip I’m using should be adequate, with effectively 22mm wide connections between cells sitting in parallel strips.

during tests , the temp measured are above to ambient temp, so a increase of 45°C , not the same :wink:

Good point, it is indeed 45 deg C above ambient with 30A full discharge.

Just for comparison, I looked up a similar temp curve for 18650 Samsung 30Q cells. Temps rise 50 deg C from ambient when running at 15A.